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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 3 2016, 12:29 AM Post #1 |
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And we learned nothing! Well, aside from the fact that Mai is alive. Black does destroy Trunks's time machine tho, but Bulma remembers the one that Cell came back in time in, so they still have one in reserve! Also, we have a new ending song. It's garbage, but the ending sequence is cool tho. EDIT: Summary
Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Jul 3 2016, 02:25 AM.
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Jul 6 2016, 10:34 PM Post #91 |
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Maybe it could be something which happened a very very long time ago. Or it could be something else entirely but linked to the earthlings.
We don't know that for certain yet. Maybe his actions of Time Traveling or something else caused something horrific? Who knows?
How do you know he was fighting with the androids in all the encounters he had with them? Especially after Future Gohan died Trunks mission was to travel back in time. His priority goal was to survive and make it back to the past and take the help of the present Z warriors to find a way to defeat the androids. And given that Trunks prefers to avoid battling Black(and this scenario being very similar to the android threat he faced), I wouldn't be surprised if Future Trunks had done the same thing back during the android threat after Future Gohan's death.
Exactly, that is why he was/is luck enough to get help from Goku(and the rest of Z warriors) and not some random person whose morality could have been even worse than Goku. I mean, I agree that Goku is not morally the most sound person but he is not that morally bad either since he had kept his promise of helping Trunks defeating the androids. Also, no matter how much he has screwed up with the Buu threat in the end he still took responsibility for his screw ups regarding Buu threat and managed to fix it with the help of everyone. |
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| EMIYA | Jul 6 2016, 11:25 PM Post #92 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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But they really don't. Our "heroes" have no idea what its like to be go through years upon years of suffering that Trunks did. They have no idea what its like to live in a world where there is no Dragon Balls and there is no Whis or anything to help alleviate the pain. Nether Goku nor Vegeta know what its like to lose a son and then never be able to see him again. They have no idea what its like when you don't have your magic mcguffin to help you out. This is greatly pointed in the Boo Arc when Piccolo tells Super Boo to kill everyone on earth so he can buy some time for Gotenks. He might not like the idea but he knows they have Dragon Balls so they can wish everyone back. Goku can tell Gohan to ignore the planet's damage when fighting Cell because they have the power to fix it. Their problems are immediate and as long as their able to get past them, then they can fix them. Even if Trunks wins, he has to live with what he's got now. That's probably why Trunks is the only person who stops Babidi from bringing back Boo when a combination of Goku, Vegeta and Gohan failed miserably on that due to their pride and arrogance. He can't risk screwing around in a world where things remain the same afterwards. That's simply something the present heroes never have to worry about. |
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| superperfectnerd | Jul 6 2016, 11:54 PM Post #93 |
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I actually wouldn't argue that the heroes are spoilt really...I mean they are now but they've all been through pain. Goku killed his own grandfather and lived alone in the woods until he was 12. This was probably alleviated somewhat by his nave carefree personality. Ignorance is bliss. Vegeta lived through the extinction of his species as a child and had to live under the control of Frieza, only to die by his hand. Yes he still would have been a conqueror if he hadn't met Frieza but he wouldn't have been a slave to an almighty, unstoppable overlord. Plus the very fact that he was raised as a traditional saiyan, he had no chance but to end up a murderer. He now has to live with that as a good man. Piccolo is similar to Vegeta, he had no choice but to start his life out evil and spent his formative years completely alone until he met Gohan. Tien was raised by cruel murderers. Krillin was bullied. Yamcha couldn't talk to girls. So yeah, they've all suffered. Goku didn't know Black would be pulled back into the vortex but villains have escaped before without that happening. Like when Cell used the solar flare. Goku should have been wary of Black escaping to cause havoc especially after Frieza was able to blow up the Earth. Goku's attempts to save people from themselves aren't usually an actual effort to hold back in a fight. He wants a good fight at all times, bringing out the good is usually a side effect of his personality. He could have defeated Black without killing him and then questioned/tried to change him later. |
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Jul 6 2016, 11:56 PM Post #94 |
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It's true that Future Trunks doesn't have the Dragon Balls to fix his losses. But, the present Z fighter have also experienced the struggles Future Trunks had encountered. I mean they were not permanent like in Future Trunks Timeline but they know what it feels like to loose someone. For example, Goku experienced what it felt like to loose a close friend like Krillin in the Namek Saga. And in the Cell Saga Gohan experiences again the loss of his Father and at the same time Vegeta also experiences the loss of his Future Son. In Saiyan Saga Gohan experiences the loss of his Father against Raditz and then later experiences the loss of his mentor Piccolo against Nappa. Bulma also experiences the loss of her former boyfriend Yamacha against saibamen back in Saiyan Saga. Then Vegeta later sacrifices himself against buu. I mean these all are temporary thanks to the dragon balls but it's not like they don't experience the pain and suffering like Trunks does. I agree that Trunks had to bear the pain and suffering for a longer time in most of the cases but he has also got the chance to revisit his father,mother and mentor Gohan by going back to the past. And after the android threat he most likely had some peace time with his mother and probably also meet Mai. He has lost his family and friends but it's not like he is all alone because he has made new friends in his timeline and also by going back to the past. He doesn't have this "magical" thing called Dragon Balls to help bring back the dead or correct other issues but he as an another magical thing called the "Time Machine" to help him solve some of his problems Edited by Gospel, Jul 7 2016, 12:09 AM.
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| + QueenTD | Jul 7 2016, 12:49 AM Post #95 |
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My Dear Melancholy,
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Has it been explained why Trunks isn't surprise Goku is alive? Last time I check Trunks last sighting of Goku was him dying |
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| + Clearin | Jul 7 2016, 01:02 AM Post #96 |
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Trunks was surprised, that scene was covered in episode 49. Did you watch the actual episode? |
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| + QueenTD | Jul 7 2016, 02:04 AM Post #97 |
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My Dear Melancholy,
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I forgot. Been busy and have important stuff on my mind |
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| Kblo247 | Jul 8 2016, 08:20 AM Post #98 |
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Black went back to where he belongs and where trunks chose to leave him to wipe out the world much like he did his 17 and 18 twice. That ain't on Goku or Vegeta. They didn't know the guy could time travel or t that he would be sucked back in which comes down to trunks not scouting or telling them about their enemies once again. You can say well why did he play and try to read his enemy again when he had trunks word. Trunks word alone had 17 and 18 as being evil might be one reason And lastly I keep reading trunks had no other option but to come to Vegeta and Goku to be saved which is b.s. as he had the main option that Goku and Vegeta always turn to. That option is get stronger and get it done yourself come hell or high water. Every time they hit a limit they keep going and never say well there is no other threat coming and settle. They better themselves even if it means getting on their knees and asking to be taught or being maids.Trunks whether it be fighting the androids or black never sought to get stronger to handle his own problems by his own choice; he chose to run and hide both times. If you don't want to do that, then sit down in the kiddy seat and don't tell the full bloods how to do it when they get it done no matter how convoluted it gets when you know they think differently about things Edited by Kblo247, Jul 8 2016, 08:21 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 8 2016, 11:32 AM Post #99 |
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Izanagi!
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How was he meant to train efficiently? It was all he could do to just survive against the Androids and Black; he didn't have access to any of the special training that Goku and Vegeta did. He doesn't have a gravity machine, he can't train with strong fighters, he'd be stuck just training normally. Are you forgetting that Vegeta only barely managed to keep rivalling Goku after the 7-year gap? Trunks has had less opportunities to train and has to train normally, yet he still ended up getting much better gains than Vegeta, to the point where Beerus is actually impressed with him. It's obvious that he's been doing all he can to get stronger and beat Black, it's just impossible for him. Edited by Yu Narukami, Jul 8 2016, 11:32 AM.
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| Kblo247 | Jul 8 2016, 05:38 PM Post #100 |
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Vegeta didn't meet a gap after quitting fighting. HE outright quit being a fighter initially after the cell games yet ame out stronger than Gohan years later and Trunks who was close to his equal. Trunks mentions struggling with a Dabura who Vegeta calls trash pre-MAjin and Goku agrees with him that Vegeta could have ended it easily. Beerus is impressed with the guy sure because he is semi relevant and a new high power. He didn't compliment him like he did Vegeta when they first met in Super and the movie for his power. Goku toyed with the guy much like Vegeta did Cabba. It says something that Vegeta could boost himself up past the boys without a god ritual before Beerus arrives and no teacher ever, yet Trunks can't get past I ain't trained in 7 years Gohan and had difficulty with Dabura. |
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